Better health, better business, better driving school - Hayley Field
Hayley Field joins us in this episode to provide some wonderful insights into how entrepreneurs, business owners and, in particular, driving instructors can improve their health. She offers some top advice on what to eat and when, why we should make sure we stay hydrated and why there's always room for a Mars bar!
Hayley also explains the importance of steps and how we can fit them into our daily routines.
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Transcript
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Speaker B:Welcome and thank you for joining us on the Instructor Podcast where every week we're joined by experts and innovators, leaders and game changers so we can hold a mirror up at the instructor industry and see where we can improve and raise our standards.
Speaker B:So if you're ready, we'll make a start.
Speaker B:Hello and welcome to episode 11 of the Instructor Podcast.
Speaker B:As always, I'm your host Terry Cook of TC Drive.
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Speaker B:Today I am joined by someone I'm incredibly fond of, the health strategist, nutritionist, sleep science coach, stress management coach, NLP practitioner, All Round 4 Food Ninja, the wonderful Hayley Field, who comes in to drop some awesome knowledge all based around eating better, sleeping better and managing stress.
Speaker B:And what we can do as business owners, which is what we are as driving instructors, business owners, what we can do to actually make our lives and our business better, which is essentially what this podcast is about.
Speaker B:It's aimed to help you become better instructors, help us have better, better businesses and help us have better lives.
Speaker B:Instructor, health, self and wealth.
Speaker B:We're also joined by Chris Benson of the ditc, who after missing last week because it was a bit of a slow week in the news, we've actually got two little segments today, one of which with the DICT talking about the new recruitment policies from the DVSA and the updates on testing or the way the DVSA has updated us on testing and also talking about the new email from Love, Dear Rider and the survey that comes along with that.
Speaker B:So make sure you stop to the end to listen to that.
Speaker B:As always, if you head over to the show notes, you can find links for everything for me, everything for the DITC and also everything for Hayley Field.
Speaker B:But for now, let's make a start to the show.
Speaker B:So welcome to the Instructor Podcast and we are joined today by the splendid and motivational Hayley Field.
Speaker B:How are you today, Hayley?
Speaker A:I'm actually really good.
Speaker A:I'm a morning person.
Speaker A:So you've chosen to record this at exactly the right time.
Speaker B:Good stuff.
Speaker B:So I'm going to get straight into it.
Speaker B:I'm going to ask you just to tell us a little bit about yourself, a Bit about your past.
Speaker B:You're doing it to get where you are now and what you're doing with yourself now.
Speaker A:Okay, well our time keep this short.
Speaker A:We both know that's a lie.
Speaker A:So I am a health strategist and everyone's probably thinking, what the fuck is that?
Speaker A:So I specialize in working with business owners and entrepreneurs on all aspects of their health.
Speaker A:So I'm a qualified nutritionist, sleep science coach, stress management coach, NLP practitioner, CBT practitioner, lots of other shit that I don't want to talk about because otherwise it'll just make me sound like a big headed idiot.
Speaker A:But I help help entrepreneurs focus on their health so that they can see the benefits obviously in their home life and whatever, but also in their business because if they are healthier then their profits tend to be healthier as well.
Speaker A:So it's helping people make that connection between looking after the biggest asset in their business, which is them.
Speaker A:So that's what I do.
Speaker A:Currently I am also known as the Food Ninja because that is the name of my company and it was a nickname that was given to me when I first started about seven years ago.
Speaker A:So I've been running my business for about, well, it'll be seven years in June.
Speaker A:And before that I was a boring IT contractor.
Speaker A:So I worked for a lot of corporates as a software development manager, a business change manager, all that kind of boring shiz and was paid very well for it.
Speaker A:Didn't really fit in very well because as you know, Terry, I'm a little bit rebellious.
Speaker A:So not really, not really cut out for the corporate world.
Speaker A:But because it was incredibly well paid, I didn't really kind of, I wasn't really able, it's not, that's wrong to say I wasn't able to leave.
Speaker A:I could have left at any time, but it was harder because of the money.
Speaker A: year career was I, in: Speaker A:And because I was a contractor at the time, I didn't have any sick pay or anything like that.
Speaker A:So while I was waiting for my surgery, I waited for my surgery for four months.
Speaker A:I spent four months in bed off my face on morphine and other fun drugs.
Speaker A:And that's where I started my business from.
Speaker A:So I started it from my bed with just my laptop.
Speaker A:I started kind of helping out people at the CrossFit gym that I was in.
Speaker A:I'd been kind of helping them before, but I started to kind of help them in a more professional capacity.
Speaker A:And that's Kind of how I started my business.
Speaker A:And then I ran away to Spain for five years.
Speaker A:I lived in Ibiza for five years on a whim.
Speaker A:I'm quite impulsive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I ran away to Spain for five years, and then I came back two years ago.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's a very short potted history.
Speaker B:There's a lot to dig into there.
Speaker B:But I think the thing that amused me the most with that was I always tell people when they come on this podcast or try and tell people, you can swear, and most of them do.
Speaker B:When we get about halfway through, they kind of let their hair down a little bit.
Speaker B:Second sentence with Hayley.
Speaker B:What the fuck is that?
Speaker A:You didn't expect anything different, did you?
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:I think that's why I've got you on a little bit later in this series when I'll bring Hayley in once people are used to it.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:But one thing I do like to ask people to begin with is because obviously this podcast is aimed primarily at driving instructors, I know that other people are getting things from it as well.
Speaker B:But I'd like to hear a little bit about your driving experience, about when you learn to drive, how you found your lessons, how you found your test, how was your instructor, that sort of thing.
Speaker A:Well, I guess.
Speaker A:Well, this might be a little bit interesting.
Speaker A:Uh, slightly.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I didn't learn to drive until I was 33 years old.
Speaker A:Um, and the reason for that is I had quite a bad drug problem for a number of years.
Speaker A:I was a functioning addict, and I went to rehab twice, which is kind of part of the reason why I work with people on their health.
Speaker A:But that's another story.
Speaker A:So it wasn't really safe for me to drive before that, if I'm completely honest.
Speaker A:But I learned to drive when I was 33.
Speaker A:I had a brilliant instructor called Craig.
Speaker A:He was super nice, and funnily enough, he actually taught my daughter to drive.
Speaker A:Years later as well.
Speaker A:She passed her test with him.
Speaker A:I wasn't a nervous driver, I don't think, but I did fail my first test.
Speaker A:So I failed my first test, because when we came out of the test center, you immediately turn into a really steep hill.
Speaker A:And they asked me to do a hill start straight away.
Speaker A:And I thought I'd fucked it up.
Speaker A:So for the rest of the test, I was just, oh, fuck this shit.
Speaker A:I just like driving.
Speaker A:Whatever I was.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:I failed it straight away.
Speaker A:And then when we got back to the test center, I was like, I know I failed.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:The guy Was like I said, I know it's the hill start.
Speaker A:He went, actually it wasn't that, it was something else later on.
Speaker A:But yeah, I basically failed my first one but the second one I passed which was fine.
Speaker A:But yeah, my instructor was lovely Craig.
Speaker A:Like I said, he taught Lily, my daughter how to drive years later.
Speaker A:But my first car was a Fiat Panda.
Speaker A:Had a sort of metallic blue Fiat Panda for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I crashed that.
Speaker A:I had quite a bad accident on the motorway when I was driving back from Manchester with a, on Christmas Eve with a boot full of Christmas shopping and I was driving down the motorway and what I didn't know had happened before I got there is there'd been a guy in the fast lane and a guy in the middle lane and the guy in the first line realized he had to get off at the next junction so he cut straight across, clipped the back of the other guy's car so it spun round and it was straddling two lanes and I came around a slight bend in the motorway and saw him too late and crashed into him, broke my collarbone right off my car.
Speaker A:So yeah, that was, that was, that was a little, I've been driving a little while after that.
Speaker B:I mean I'm not sure what's more annoying there, the chocolate's cut across all the lanes or the fact that you referred to it as a fast lane.
Speaker A:Oh, sorry, whatever.
Speaker A:I don't know, I'm not all the instructors listening to this, they're going, oh my God.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But the other thing that me was recited there was, I think last year you came into to my group for learners, you did a talk for my learners and that kind of went in a slightly different direction what we planned.
Speaker B:And I remember you're talking about nerves and stuff and, and you were saying that just remember if you make a mistake don't mean you failed, just carry on as if you haven't, you know.
Speaker B:So yeah, you learned from your own advice there, which is good.
Speaker A:But this, this, that was you know, 13, 14 years ago and I was a much, much more hot headed than I am now.
Speaker A:So yeah, maybe now I would take my own advice.
Speaker A:But yeah, actually this isn't a fun fact but I don't actually have a car or drive any currently at the moment.
Speaker A:I had a car when I moved to Ibiza.
Speaker A:I bought a Mitsubishi Montero which I loved and was actually really good at driving at the, on the wrong side of the road and I really enjoyed it and I haven't bought a car since I came Back to the uk, because, as you know, I'm a big fan of walking, but also it actually felt a bit odd to drive on this side of the road.
Speaker A:And I was a bit like, oh, I'm not sure if I can get back in the habit.
Speaker A:So I don't currently drive, but I am thinking about getting a car maybe in the not too distant future.
Speaker B:And if you need refresher lessons, you know where to come.
Speaker A:I will.
Speaker A:I'll come all the way up to Yorkshire from Brighton.
Speaker B:We'll go for a walk in Ilkley.
Speaker B:The other thing I found interesting there, actually, just from a personal point, was you were kind of singing the praise of your instructor and talking to different people on this podcast that there doesn't seem to be much middle ground.
Speaker B:They either hated them or they love them.
Speaker B:You know, I'm not quite interested.
Speaker B:I would have thought the more people I asked would just been like, yeah, just, you know, Trevor taught me or, you know, but if I seem to remember him for the right reason or the wrong reason.
Speaker B:So it's good that you had a good experience.
Speaker A:Yeah, he was.
Speaker A:Craig is very.
Speaker A:A very calm person.
Speaker A:And as you know, I'm not particularly, or I definitely was then.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he was just, you know, he was just very encouraging, very calm.
Speaker A:I felt very safe in the car with him.
Speaker A:Yeah, cool.
Speaker B:So, yeah, you mentioned walking before.
Speaker B:And one of the reasons, I suppose the biggest reason I got you onto this podcast today, to give us, the people, some.
Speaker B:Some advice on health and what we can do.
Speaker B:And one of the big things that when I worked with you, you encouraged me to do and that you talk about publicly a lot is walking and steps.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Why is that so important?
Speaker A:I call steps my little multi beneficial sort of, you know, it's a really.
Speaker A:A way to really sort of pack a punch in terms of your health because obviously a lot of people come to me initially for fat loss because they don't realize they need to sort out all the other stuff that goes with it.
Speaker A:So apart from what you stick in your gob.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Steps is the second biggest contributing factor to maintaining a healthy weight or in fact, losing weight if you want to.
Speaker A:And that's because, you know, most people think, oh, my God, I have to spend hours in the gym killing myself and doing loads of cardio and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:Actually, there have been so many studies to show that when you do an app, give yourself an absolute beasting in the gym.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And I can actually give you anecdotal evidence as well.
Speaker A:As scientific evidence.
Speaker A:Because when I used to do CrossFit, I would go and do a workout absolutely beast myself for about an hour, burn maybe 4 or 500 calories.
Speaker A:But then I would, so I've done this so many times, go home, go and get my stuff ready for a shower and then wake up three hours later in the fetal position on my bed because I just be so knackered that I've kind of fallen asleep and that is proven in a lot of scientific studies is when you exercise intensely you A become hungrier so you eat more that day or the next day and B, you move around a lot less because you're fucking dying on the sofa or in bed or whatever.
Speaker A:Whereas with steps you can do them for a lot longer.
Speaker A:So you can walk for two, three or.
Speaker A:Very recently I walked for seven and a half hours the other day with my boyfriend who was absolutely overjoyed at the prospect of walking for seven and a half hours.
Speaker A:We walked 32 kilometers, 20 miles in old money.
Speaker A:But obviously you can burn a lot of calories and then you're not dying at the end of it, right?
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:I'm a small person so that's, that's how many I burn.
Speaker A:But then you can just go about your daily business, right?
Speaker A:So that, that weight maintenance, you know, maintaining a healthy weight, that aspect of it, that's a big benefit.
Speaker A:But also the mental and emotional health benefits if you can go outside and walk in nature.
Speaker A:There's quite a famous study done by a group of German scientists that gave people creative tasks to do.
Speaker A:So they made them go out for a walk.
Speaker A:Some of them got to walk in a lovely park with birds and trees and all nature shit, right?
Speaker A:And then some of them had to walk around the streets in the city and they, they were then given two creative tasks to do and the people who'd walked outside in nature performed much better with the creative tasks.
Speaker A:So that's kind of how I sell it to my business owners, right?
Speaker A:Because obviously business owners, we are strange people.
Speaker A:We're like, oh my God, I can't do this.
Speaker A:It take me away for working on my business and I'm like, actually some benefit to your business.
Speaker A:It makes you calmer, more creative, more focused, it's meditative for the mind.
Speaker A:So it's just a multi beneficial, you know, get outside, get some vitamin D on your skin.
Speaker A:Very important at the moment because we've all been locked inside for so long.
Speaker A:It's just a very sort of multi beneficial thing to do.
Speaker A:So that is why I'm a big fan.
Speaker A:And also it can be super challenging.
Speaker A:You know, I'm doing a 100 kilometer walk over the the South Downs in 30 hours in September, which means I've got a walk up and down Hills for 30 hours.
Speaker A:No stopping, no sleep overnight when it's dark.
Speaker A:So you can make walking as hard or as easy as you want it to be.
Speaker B:Is that for charity as well that you're doing that?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It's for Oxfam.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So can people donate if they want?
Speaker A:They can.
Speaker A:I will send you the just Giving page and hopefully you can share it with your listeners.
Speaker B:Will do.
Speaker B:Just regarding walking, I think it's also some of the.
Speaker B:I'm going to say everyone could do.
Speaker B:I know physical, everyone can do it, but everyone's able to do in the sense that we can all walk somewhere.
Speaker B:You know, even if you might live in a busy, you know, high density, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Housed area, you can still walk around there.
Speaker B:So it's something we all get access to.
Speaker B:And I think it's interesting what you were saying about the sort of the meditative and the creative aspect of it because when I used to walk, I used to always have the headphones to walk.
Speaker A:I hope you're still walking, Terry, because of the headphones.
Speaker B:I used to walk with a headphones on.
Speaker B:Now when I go for a short walk, I don't take the headphones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I find that that's a lot more relaxing.
Speaker B:And I come back and I will almost feel like I've been meditating and I'll feel more refreshed when I go for a longer walk.
Speaker B:I need the headphones.
Speaker B:I get bored of what is that keeps me going.
Speaker B:But yeah, I think, yeah, it's not something I would have thought of before I worked with you, but I think it's, it's right.
Speaker B:Just a question on the walking I read somewhere, I think I don't know whether Walking magazine, they were suggesting like taking weights when you're walking.
Speaker B:So I know that obviously if you're going on a hike you'll take a backpack.
Speaker B:But you know, would you recommend maybe taking a sack of potatoes or something like that or.
Speaker A:Well, as you know, I'm a big fan of potatoes.
Speaker A:But no, I wouldn't really recommend a sack of potatoes.
Speaker A:But you know, you can buy a weighted vest if that's your thing.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, I would say start off easy.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Because if we make you know, and this is a common theme with health habits, right?
Speaker A:If you make it mega fucking difficult to get started, like, I've never walked, you know, more than a mile in my life.
Speaker A:And now I've bought a 20 pound weighted vest and I'm going to hike up that hill for five miles.
Speaker A:You're not going to do it, are you?
Speaker A:Or you might do it the first day.
Speaker A:You think, fuck that.
Speaker A:Not, not doing that anymore.
Speaker A:So always make it very easy to start.
Speaker A:So I use this a lot with my clients.
Speaker A:It's like a motivational interviewing technique where you get them to commit to something so easy that is embarrassing if they don't do it right.
Speaker A:And then once they've done it once, the easy thing, and every time I do it, like if I say to someone, do you reckon you could walk to the end of the road and back?
Speaker A:And they're like, Or I might say to them, do you think you can walk to the park, which is a mile away?
Speaker A:Oh, probably not.
Speaker A:Like, I've got work to do, blah, blah.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, do you reckon you can walk to the end of your road and back?
Speaker A:Yeah, probably.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay, well, can you walk to the end of your garden and back?
Speaker A:Oh, my God, yeah, of course I can do that.
Speaker A:I'm like, right, we'll just do that.
Speaker A:Oh, but I can walk further than that.
Speaker A:No, just do that.
Speaker A:Just do that.
Speaker A:And what happens is, obviously they come back the next week and they're like, yeah, I've been walking fucking miles.
Speaker A:Because you've made it so easy that it's embarrassing if they don't do it.
Speaker A:So you want to do that to yourself and sort of trick yourself into that mindset when you're thinking about how to be healthy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've been on the receiving end of your ninja mind tricks.
Speaker A:My ninja mind tricks?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I can remember when we first started working and your big goal for me was to eat more protein.
Speaker B:No, that was it.
Speaker B:In that first week.
Speaker B:And I remember coming away from his first call thinking, protein, I'm not gonna lose weight, just having an extra bit of, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:And that's getting.
Speaker B:Not annoyed, but like, this ain't gonna work, is it?
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden you see work, it's like, oh, yeah, I can do this.
Speaker B:But I think the one that, you know, when I were walking and you were getting me to increase my, my daily steps, and I was.
Speaker B:Then I come on call to you and they're like, I've been for a jog, I've been jogging states like, that's your ninja mind tricks in action.
Speaker B:You know, it's like you suddenly start seeing you can do this morning.
Speaker B:It is one of the things I was going to ask you actually about that, that going from 0 to 100, because that used to be a big thing I was guilty of.
Speaker B:I'd go in all in on Summit and then fail miserably and then give up.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know you've kind of touched on that before, but is there.
Speaker B:What advice would you give someone doing that?
Speaker B:I know it's just one step in front of the other sort of thing.
Speaker A:Well, as you can imagine with the.
Speaker A:The set of people that I work with, you know, business owners, by definition, like I said, we're fucking weird, right?
Speaker A:A lot of us own businesses because we're not employable.
Speaker A:And we're just weird people who, like, have to give, you know, to be a business owner and give up the comfort of having a monthly wage takes a certain type of person, right?
Speaker A:It means we don't really like comfort.
Speaker A:So we're like, we'll do something either 100 miles an hour or not at all.
Speaker A:So I have to deal with this kind of thing with basically every single client that I deal with.
Speaker A:And it's about, you know, yes, I teach people to eat well, to sleep well, to manage their stress and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:But the biggest thing that I have to teach business owners or kind of encourage them to do is to have balance because they.
Speaker A:Another thing with business owners is they don't like mediocre, right?
Speaker A:Because they want to be an amazing business owner.
Speaker A:Their business is going to be the fucking best.
Speaker A:Their podcast is going to be the best podcast ever, right?
Speaker A:All that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:So if you say to them, bit of balance, they're like, well, that sounds a bit mediocre and boring and it's a really hard mindset switch, you know, And I say to people, you have to slow down, to speed up.
Speaker A:If you want your, your business to be amazing, you have to be around to run it with full energy every day.
Speaker A:You cannot do that if you're doing everything at 100 miles an hour.
Speaker A:It's absolutely impossible.
Speaker A:I know all business owners, we all think we're super, you know, Superman, Superwoman, super whatever.
Speaker A:But, you know, we're not.
Speaker A:So it's teaching that balance, which is really hard.
Speaker A:So I have to trick people into doing things, which sounds awful.
Speaker A:It sounds like I'm using some kind of like, mind melding, right?
Speaker A:But you have to show people that Even doing something in a smaller way will actually have benefit.
Speaker A:So like I said, most people come to be for, for fat loss, not realizing that the reason they can't maintain a healthy weight is because they're stressed out all the time, they work too much, they can't sleep properly, like all of this other shit, you know, they've got people, the wrong people around them, you know, no habits, no routines.
Speaker A:So initially to get people to buy in, I have to get pick the biggest thing that I know, the smallest thing that will have the biggest impact.
Speaker A:So for instance, if we talk about you, I knew that if I could get you to eat more protein, you would start to feel better, then you'd have a bit more energy, a bit more focus and then you'd be more inclined to be able to do more stuff.
Speaker A:So it's having to, it's looking at each client individually and trying to figure out what is that one thing that's going to be relatively easy, that's going to.
Speaker A:It's almost like having a hook, right?
Speaker A:So I've got to find the hook for that person to.
Speaker A:And then once I found that hook, they tend to trust me with other stuff.
Speaker A:So that's when I started to teach about the balance working a bit less.
Speaker A:So even things like, you know, taking a lunch break, if I can get someone to stop for 20 minutes, eat their lunch, not in front of their laptop, not while they're checking their emails, not while they're fucking doom scrolling and arguing with someone on Twitter, they find that they get a lot more shit done in the afternoon.
Speaker A:Like, who knew, right?
Speaker A:So I guess it, it's just having to.
Speaker A:I talk a lot about and this isn't my thing.
Speaker A:This is from James Clear, right, The guy who wrote.
Speaker A:Have you forgotten the name of the habit guy?
Speaker B:Was it atomic habits?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think it's his concept anyway, or I've, I've got it from somewhere and adapted to myself.
Speaker A:So I talk a lot about gas burners.
Speaker A:So if you imagine like your work, like you know, your business, your relationships, your family, your health, your hobbies, all that kind of stuff, they're all gas burners, right?
Speaker A:When most people come to me, they've got fucking everything turned up to 10, right?
Speaker A:Imminent explosion, right?
Speaker A:If it's just all going on in their kitchen.
Speaker A:So they've got all the gas burners turned up to 10, apart from health, it's normally like a 01 sometimes.
Speaker A:But I say to them, if you operate all these burners on 10, you are going to Run out of gas.
Speaker A:It's going to get expensive pretty quick in terms of time, health, you know, because what happens if you've got all these burners on 10?
Speaker A:You have a breakdown.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I've had people come to me because they've ended up in a E, like hooked up to a heart monitor because they've got so stressed out, like having all their burners up to 10, that that's what happens.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then where's your business?
Speaker A:There's no one else to run it.
Speaker A:You know, if you want longevity in your business, you've got to have longevity in your health.
Speaker A:So I teach them about.
Speaker A:Okay, so what burner are we working on this month?
Speaker A:If it's your health, let's turn that up to a sort of 7 and 8.
Speaker A:You're going to have to turn something else down.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:You know, and it's just trying to find that special combination for each person and it changes.
Speaker A:Obviously.
Speaker A:It's a dynamic situation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Changes from month to month.
Speaker A:Sorry, I feel like I talked a lot about that and probably not answered your question.
Speaker B:No, you definitely did.
Speaker B:I mean that gas burners, you know, that's the analogy that really sunk in for me when you said that one to me.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That made it click for me because I suddenly realized, oh, crap, I'm doing all this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But there's this one over here that's not.
Speaker B:Not working.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:That was the health.
Speaker B:And oddly enough, when I turn that health gas burner up, I can actually turn the others down a bit and still get the same amount done.
Speaker B:Yeah, like you said, we had that in.
Speaker A:Is because, you know, things like on my famous sheet.
Speaker A:I know you love my sheets, just for the listeners, I have a massive data sheet that I get people to collect all sorts of data about their health on.
Speaker A:And this is no coincidence that the.
Speaker A:I ask people how many hours they've worked in one column.
Speaker A:I don't know if you remember this column, Terry, and in the column next to it, there's a score, productivity 1 to 10.
Speaker A:I can't tell you how many people put 12 hours worked productivity score 3.
Speaker A:And when they do that, I know that they are suffering from stress because what's happening there is they're procrastinating.
Speaker A:They're working all the hours, doing busy work on stuff that doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Procrastinating about shit because they are stressed out.
Speaker A:And that is a classic example of having those.
Speaker A:But they think they've got those burners turned up.
Speaker A:To 10.
Speaker A:I'm working on my business.
Speaker A:10.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:Sleep is for wimps or that hustle and grind, right?
Speaker A:But they are.
Speaker A:They've got the burner that turned up to 10 and nothing's happening.
Speaker A:They haven't got a saucepan on it because they're not making anything.
Speaker A:It's just up to 10, like burning away.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, yeah, sorry, a little mini rant about it.
Speaker B:No, it's a good run though.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And again, I'm.
Speaker B:It's easy to use me as the example.
Speaker B:I used to go out and deliver lessons and my lessons are generally two hours.
Speaker B:I'll do three or four a day and.
Speaker B:And I just plow into it all week and I won't get much sleep and I won't eat improperly.
Speaker B:And I delivered decent lessons.
Speaker B:In my head I'd think they were great, but looking back, there were decent lessons.
Speaker B:I start prioritizing my health and I'm sorry, I'd come home and I'd sleep, I'd get a takeaway and I'd sleep and then I'd get up next day and it'd be that same thing over and over.
Speaker B:Whereas now, yeah, I still deliver a similar number of lessons.
Speaker B:I've reduced it slightly, but a similar number of lessons, but my lessons are better.
Speaker B:I'm more switched on and more focused.
Speaker B:I'm doing so much more around that and outside of that as well, I'm sleeping better.
Speaker B:Even though I'm probably sleeping a bit less.
Speaker B:I'm sleeping better and it's all just because I put the focus on my health.
Speaker B:And is that something you see with all your clients, would you say?
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, without sounding too wonky about it, I don't have any clients that don't leave me in a better position because just purely because of the way I work.
Speaker A:So obviously with my one to one, as you know, Terry, it's like I don't half ass it.
Speaker A:I go full ass, right?
Speaker A:I'm in.
Speaker A:If you're in, I'm in, Right.
Speaker A:And you don't get any escape or let up, which makes it sound like a horrible experience, but it's not really.
Speaker A:But yeah, I get that with all of my, you know, I have a lot of my clients have, you know, what I call a bit of an epiphany moment, right, at some point along their journey.
Speaker A:Hate saying journey.
Speaker A:Sounds like the fucking X factor, the biggest one that I have a lot of the time.
Speaker A:So as business owners, you know that we get to where we are in our Business by.
Speaker A:I'm going to do more this year.
Speaker A:I'm going to work longer hours, I'm going to do more this and put more money into it.
Speaker A:Do more, more, more, more, more.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Just, just pour everything into it.
Speaker A:More, more, more.
Speaker A:Like go 100 miles an hour, you know, work 20 hour days, be part of the fucking 4am Club.
Speaker A:Don't get me started on that shit.
Speaker A:So, more, more, more, more, more, right?
Speaker A:And they think when they first come to me, I'm like, right, we're going to make you healthy as fuck and you're going to be an amazing business owner.
Speaker A:Okay, Health, right?
Speaker A:So we do the same thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, More, more, more.
Speaker A:Like more restriction, more exercise, more this, more that.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, no, no, no, the, the principles that you've used to be successful up until this point, they're worth shit, mate.
Speaker A:They are not going to work with your health.
Speaker A:And everyone's, you know, they, they kind of, I mean, I never say that to them, right, because I'd have no clients.
Speaker A:But when they get to the point where they're like, oh, I can't do that with my health, I have to do something different.
Speaker A:Like that's when I know, right, I've got them now.
Speaker A:Now we can sort of.
Speaker A:Sorry, I sound like I'm like, I've got them now.
Speaker A:I feel like I went to tricking everyone.
Speaker A:It's all from a place of love, Terry.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's when I know that they're like, okay, right, we have to do something different.
Speaker A:But it's so alien to them.
Speaker A:And you know, I work with people who are super successful, right?
Speaker A:Some people like six, seven figure businesses and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:Super successful people.
Speaker A:But, you know, they struggle with that because they only know one way of being successful.
Speaker A:And I'm trying to teach them a different way.
Speaker A:And they're all a bit like, oh, it's very uncomfortable for them.
Speaker A:But once we get through that phase, then, yeah, you know, everyone gets.
Speaker A:No, I'm not, actually, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not going to shy away from saying it.
Speaker A:Everyone gets amazing results and I'm super proud of that.
Speaker B:You should be proud of that.
Speaker B:I think one of the things that, that drew me into one of the things I've always been impressed by you is how open, honest you are, you know, and on your social, you'll openly talk about things that you struggled with in the past.
Speaker B:And even around your health, you know, it's not like you're coming out and said, I'm Perfect.
Speaker B:Be like me.
Speaker B:You'll.
Speaker B:You'll use the dogs.
Speaker B:Try getting roomy.
Speaker B:You'll use the examples of you to help the benefit of others.
Speaker B:So I just wondered if you could share an example of where you've struggled and how you've overcome that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, Terry.
Speaker A:Massive list, right?
Speaker A:So obviously I've touched on the fact that I, you know, I was a functioning drug addict for 20 years.
Speaker A:You know, not 20, probably, you know, not the, not the serious bit of it, but probably at least 10, 12 years.
Speaker A:And, you know, there's, there's all sorts of reasons for that we don't need to go into.
Speaker A:But yeah, that, that was, you know, a really difficult point in my life.
Speaker A:And I was probably the unhealthiest that, that you could possibly be.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I went, I went to some facilities twice.
Speaker A:You know, I kind of had some quite serious hospital admissions, that kind of thing.
Speaker A:And I, and I, that's why I kind of have an affinity with, I guess with business owners, right, because we all have those type of personalities, right, where we just are, you know, we have to do something like 100%.
Speaker A:And that's, that's, I'm not going to say addictive personality because there is no such thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, that, that's a period of my life that I struggled with a lot.
Speaker A:And then when I decided to get healthy, you know, I then replaced my addiction with being addicted to being healthy, right?
Speaker A:So I massively over trained, I competed in lots different things.
Speaker A:And then I massively over trained so much that I broke my back.
Speaker A:I had a condition called spondylolisthesis, which I didn't know about, which is a birth defect where your spine hasn't grown all the way around.
Speaker A:And also your vertebrae.
Speaker A:And not one of my vertebrae was not in line with the rest of my spine.
Speaker A:So when they did an MRI, they found over 20 historical fractures in my back.
Speaker A:But I made it worse by doing extreme crossfit like six, seven times a week, more than that, sometimes on Saturdays.
Speaker A:I used to do three sessions sometimes.
Speaker A:And that really was what I call the last bit of my recovery because even though I'd obviously, you know, was cleaned from taking drugs and stuff like that, I just essentially replaced one thing for another.
Speaker A:And then when I broke my back.
Speaker A:I talk a lot about identity, right?
Speaker A:And I know that we've had those conversations before is, you know, until you change your idea, we can all change habits, right?
Speaker A:So, yes, I changed my habit of being a drug addict, right.
Speaker A:And I swapped it For a habit of, you know, exercising and stuff.
Speaker A:But until you change your identity, you know, I was still identifying as if you like, you know, this addictive person, addictive personality.
Speaker A:But I'd managed to sort of leave that kind of drug addict alter ego, if you like, behind.
Speaker A:And then what I did is I decided that I'm going to be a healthy person now.
Speaker A:That's what I'm going to be.
Speaker A:How can I be the healthiest that I'm ever going to be?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I changed my identity and I became this crossfitter who was into nutrition.
Speaker A:I retrained in nutrition and all these things.
Speaker A:And when I broke my back and I was not able to do CrossFit and I wasn't the healthy person, you know, that Persona I was really lost because I'd lost my.
Speaker A:This new identity that I'd fought really hard to have.
Speaker A:I lost it.
Speaker A:It was taken away from me.
Speaker A:I couldn't do the things that I wanted to do.
Speaker A:And in CrossFit there's a big community as well.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So as well as having that taken away from you, you have that.
Speaker A:It sounds weird, right?
Speaker A:When I started CrossFit, I started to socialize with people and I did not realize that you could socialize with people without drinking alcohol or taking drugs.
Speaker A:And that sounds horrible, right?
Speaker A:Because when I started CrossFit, I was in my mid-30s and up until that point I didn't realize that you could socialize with people without taking drink, you know, drink or drugs.
Speaker A:So I had this whole new life that I loved, you know, so socializing was going paddle boarding and stuff.
Speaker A:It wasn't getting absolutely wasted, right?
Speaker A:It wasn't staying at home on my own and taking drugs, which was, you know, the point that I'd got to before.
Speaker A:So when I kind of lost that identity, I realized then that I'd swapped one thing for another and I had to work on myself as a person and not this kind of, you know, these various identities or I kind of had one for each group of friends, which was a bit weird.
Speaker A:I'm not sure where I'm going with this, really.
Speaker A:I guess what I'm trying to say is during that time I realized that I'd kind of got a bit lost in.
Speaker A:In doing all sorts of things, you know, exercise, CrossFit and whatever.
Speaker A:So I then had to work on myself and take a long hard look at myself and.
Speaker A:And also something else that had affected me quite a lot is now that I'd had got this new business and I was working in this Industry, the pressure to look a certain way was huge, right?
Speaker A:The pressure to be healthy was huge.
Speaker A:And I went down that.
Speaker A:This route of being this kind of deliciously Ella nutritionist, right?
Speaker A:Like cook everything from scratch.
Speaker A:I was a clean Tim Wanker and, you know, like, everything had to be, like, perfect.
Speaker A:And I know I had to do this perfectly as well, you know, and then as I've kind of gone through my career and worked with more clients, I've realized that actually you.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:I don't like this fit pro Persona, right?
Speaker A:I don't like these fucking Instagram influencers and models and people who are super fit and healthy also.
Speaker A:They tell you because let me tell you, someone who is 10%, 8% body fat, maintaining that is has not got good eating habits or a good relationship with food, right?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that's when I decided that I had to be honest about, you know, that.
Speaker A:That I. I struggle with these things.
Speaker A:I struggled with the fact that over lockdown I put weight on and then I started to feel like a fraud and feel like, you know, I'm telling everyone else how to be healthy, but I can't be healthy.
Speaker A:I haven't got balance.
Speaker A:I've put weight on of emotionally eight.
Speaker A:You know, I moved to a new city in the middle of lockdown, and I didn't know anyone at all.
Speaker A:So I think it's really important to be really honest.
Speaker A:Not too honest.
Speaker A:I mean, I have had some feedback that, you know, maybe I shouldn't tell people that I used to take drugs to which I say, you know, fuck you if you don't like that, because it means that I have got a lot of tools in my toolbox that someone else who hasn't been through that experience doesn't have.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And, you know, I work with people who are.
Speaker A:Have, you know, issues with food and all sorts of things.
Speaker A:So it helps in that respect.
Speaker A:But I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker A:Sorry, this is a very long monologue, Terry.
Speaker A:What I'm saying is I made a decision to be honest about the struggles that I have with my health.
Speaker A:I don't care if that doesn't put me in the Fitzpo bracket with all the other.
Speaker A:Because I don't want to be in that bracket, right?
Speaker A:With my gymshark leggings on.
Speaker A:On Instagram, with my ass in everyone's face.
Speaker A:I don't want that.
Speaker A:I want to show people that this is the reality of it.
Speaker A:And I, you know, even I feel pressured to look a certain way because of the job.
Speaker A:I do and that is not right.
Speaker A:And I think the more we're honest about the struggles that we have, then, you know, that enables other people to do that as well.
Speaker B:I think there's a lot of interesting points there, and I think when I introduced you, I called you motivational, and that's why, because I think you are.
Speaker B:I think the way you put stuff across is brilliant, and I can relate to it.
Speaker B:And I think it's easier to take what you said and put it into your own situation.
Speaker B:And, you know, like you were saying about drinking when I stopped drinking, and admittedly it was for different reasons to you, but when I stopped drinking, I'd get questions.
Speaker B:What do you do for fun?
Speaker B:I still do fun.
Speaker B:I just don't drink.
Speaker B:You know, like, when I went vegan, it's, what do you eat?
Speaker B:Are you like a king?
Speaker B:You know, I just don't eat meat and dairy.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also, I think it's brilliant how you've used the.
Speaker B:The past to shape who you are now and use it to your advantage now and again.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I use myself as a lot of examples in these podcasts, and I can never remember I, I failed my driving test when I Learned to drive 15 years ago.
Speaker B:I either failed 4 times or passed 4th time.
Speaker B:I can't remember which.
Speaker B:But it, you know, I didn't have a good experience learning to drive.
Speaker B:And for years, that, that, that dogged me.
Speaker B:But it's like I use that to my advantage now on lessons.
Speaker B:Yeah, I can.
Speaker B:My students pass before I did, you know, they passed first and second time.
Speaker A:I passed fourth time, you know, and you can almost.
Speaker A:I think it's great when you have.
Speaker A:Not great when you have an experience like that.
Speaker A:It's not nice at the time, but I think it's good because it shows you.
Speaker A:Like, this is how I don't want to do it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:If I'm going to do this, if I'm going to be a driving instructor, I don't want it to be, you know, I don't want people to have that experience.
Speaker A:I almost want to do the opposite of that.
Speaker A:So I think it is, you know, even though it's not nice at the time, it's a good reference point, right, to say, I don't want to be like this.
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:And that's kind of a bit of what this podcast is about.
Speaker B:It's about showing people there's another way, you know, whether it's changing the way you teach.
Speaker B:I'm not just driving instructors because I said getting feedback from other people.
Speaker B:But whether it's changed the way you teach, changing the way you look after yourself, changing the way you sleep, you know, whatever it might be, there's, there's a. I'm reluctant to use the word better because I know everyone's different, but there's, there's a different way and it's worth trying.
Speaker B:And I think that a lot of entrepreneurs and small business owners, so I'm including instructors in that kind of fall into being business owners.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:You don't say, I'm going to be an entrepreneur and then work out how to be an entrepreneur.
Speaker A:And the ones who say that are complete wankers.
Speaker A:I'm going to be an entrepreneur.
Speaker A:You're like, no, mate, you're going to sell a course on how to become an entrepreneur and that's how you're going to make money.
Speaker A:Anyway, don't get me started on that.
Speaker B:Do you think that that's where the health thing stems from?
Speaker B:Because all of a sudden, like, you start your business up and then suddenly, oh, crap, I've got over my business, but I've also got a market.
Speaker B:I've also got to learn how to do my tax return.
Speaker B:Do I get an accountant, you know, all this stuff and that.
Speaker B:Do you find that gets then prioritized because there's a panic over that rather than actually, I need to sleep more than three hours every night?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because when you start a business, I think, you know, there are suddenly lots of new things to learn and you probably don't have the revenue to outsource those things to experts.
Speaker A:So then you've got to spend a lot of time.
Speaker A:You know, I go through this thing with people because obviously I can never quite let go of that project management hat.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I do use that to my advantage when I work with clients.
Speaker A:So we do a little bit of productivity type stuff, a little bit of sort of organization, you know, I can talk about.
Speaker A:I've got a client called Kristen.
Speaker A:She doesn't mind me talking about this because she's talked about it openly in some videos and stuff.
Speaker A:But when she came to me, she's the person who was hooked up to a heart monitor, right.
Speaker A:In February, because she had so stressed.
Speaker A:She came to me.
Speaker A:She owns a very successful gym, so she's a gym owner.
Speaker A:When she came to me, she was.
Speaker A:I said, write down a list of everything you're doing in your business.
Speaker A:And I'm not joking, she was doing everything down to filling up the hand sanitizer in the toilets.
Speaker A:From that to coaching to accounts, to making her own logo and graphic, like every, every thing she was doing.
Speaker A:So I got her to go through and categorize, you know, the three different, you know, 1 pound, 5, 110 pound and 50 pound jobs.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Did I do this with you as well?
Speaker A:You had to look at it, didn't we?
Speaker A:So kind of like the one pound jobs, you know, anyone can do those.
Speaker A:You should be delegating all of those.
Speaker A:The ten pound jobs, they're kind of more skilled.
Speaker A:So maybe you have either got time to do them yourself or you've got money to delegate them out.
Speaker A:So things that, you know, for me, like I, I like doing videos but I can't edit them.
Speaker A:I could.
Speaker A:I learn, probably.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How long would it take me?
Speaker A:Too long.
Speaker A:I'd rather spend that time talking to clients.
Speaker A:So I outsource that then the 50 pound jobs are things that only you can do in your business.
Speaker A:Only you can teach your students.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Only I can talk to my clients that you should be spending all of your time doing that.
Speaker A:So I think that, you know, and the reason I do that with my clients is because if they can get a handle on that, it reduces stress.
Speaker A:If they're less stressed, they're more likely to adhere to all the healthy stuff that I'm trying to get them to do.
Speaker A:So it's all interlinked, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:When you start off, I think, because you're trying to do all of that, you know, Kristin is a brilliant example.
Speaker A:Someone doing all of that in their business and ends up in A E that is, it's in.
Speaker A:And she's a gym owner, you know, she's got access to.
Speaker A:But it just goes to show, you know, in such.
Speaker A:In the same vein I was talking about earlier where I used to feel an awful lot of pressure to try and be healthy because of my job.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We've all got going on and regardless of what you've got access to and what resources and stuff you've got to have when you're in it, when you're in your business, like it's very easy for me to come along.
Speaker A:Oh, you should delegate this xyz.
Speaker A:You're like, why didn't I think of that?
Speaker A:You didn't think of that because you're in your business.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's the same way that, you know, I can't do that sometimes because I'm very emotionally attached to my business because it's something that I, I feel like it's something good that came out of all the bad experiences that I had.
Speaker A:And also I set it up when I've off my face on morphine in my bed.
Speaker A:You know, it's come from a very sort of.
Speaker A:It's come from a hard place.
Speaker A:I'm very emotionally attached to it.
Speaker A:So I have a mentor who helps me with my business stuff because even though I know it, I'm too attached to it to make rational decisions all of the time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:One of the hardest things I did was asking for help.
Speaker B:But I find that when you ask for help that then gets easier.
Speaker B:You know, you ask someone else and they suddenly realize the benefit of that help.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and see the impact.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So I'll just bring it back to I suppose driving insurance in particular.
Speaker B:But I suppose this applies to everyone.
Speaker B:Again we've spoke before about an average day as an instructor.
Speaker B:Now again, it's going to be different for everyone.
Speaker B:But I'll kind of run through what mine used to be like.
Speaker B:So it was.
Speaker B: in morning, I'll do: Speaker B:So then I might do a 1:30 till 3:30 and then I'll do like 4 till 6.
Speaker B:Come on, grab some tea, watch grab some tea, sit down in front of tv then go to bed.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not the, the healthiest the lifestyle in the world but we, I think the big thing is we're cooped up in that car all day long.
Speaker B:So whether it's.
Speaker B:You're sat in an office and you're stuck in your chair all day, whether it's you sat in a car, whether it's you're a lorry driver and you, you know, whatever movement is the key there to get out of move.
Speaker B:But what, yeah.
Speaker B:What suggestions would you have how to incorporate that in a day like that?
Speaker A:So yeah, for sure, like when you can get outside, you should get outside.
Speaker A:And I know that is difficult to sometimes but really like this, I say this to people all the time.
Speaker A:You own your business, which means you can do whatever the fuck you like.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So when a business owner says, I haven't got 10 minutes to go and drink my tea outside, I'll be like, why not?
Speaker A:Oh, I've got to do such.
Speaker A:Who said you need to do that?
Speaker A:Oh, I just need to do it.
Speaker A:You're the fucking boss.
Speaker A:Do what you want.
Speaker A:Like plan the breaks in.
Speaker A:You know, if you're a driving instructor, do not do your lessons back to back to back like that.
Speaker A:You know, it's not good for your concentration levels anyway.
Speaker A:No one can concentrate for that long, long, you know, have a half hour break if you can between lessons.
Speaker A:I know obviously some people are probably thinking, oh, God, but that's, I'm going to miss out on X amount of money, right, because that's one less lesson per day.
Speaker A:But you know, if you, if you do that, you can, if you can have 15 minutes between lessons and just get out of your car and you know, stroll around a car park, do some yoga in a car park.
Speaker A:I know a driving instructor who does that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:So, you know, go out, get outside, do that kind of thing.
Speaker A:Breaks are important.
Speaker A:You know, if you're a business owner and you're sat at your desk, you know, I work from home, I do sit at my desk quite a lot.
Speaker A:But I will go outside into the garden even and just drink a cup of tea in the garden until I go out for my walk later on.
Speaker A:But the big thing here is take responsibility, right?
Speaker A:Don't say, oh, I can't do this because I need to do such and such.
Speaker A:Like I said, you're in charge.
Speaker A:Like, you make your own rules.
Speaker A:That's why you wanted to run a business.
Speaker A:You wanted to be like, if your hours are so set in concrete, you might as well be fucking employed by someone.
Speaker A:You should be designing your lifestyle how you want it and put fitting your business in around that.
Speaker A:And I know that sounds like a terribly privileged thing to say because, oh, maybe you've got enough money for, to do that.
Speaker A:Like, not every, you don't have an.
Speaker A:Even if you don't have enough money to dictate exactly what you want to do, you know, you can plan in little breaks and you can start to make those breaks bigger because, you know, the benefit, you know, I can't stress this enough.
Speaker A:One of the major benefits of looking after your health is you will make more money.
Speaker A:And that is, and I can tell you that is a fact because that happens with nearly every single person that I work with.
Speaker A:You know, it's not an accident, it's not coincidence that all my clients, all their businesses end up in better shape in the same way that they do.
Speaker B:Oh, again, it's a, it's a valid point.
Speaker B:It's one that you used on me and it's one that worked for me.
Speaker B:It's, I had that attitude of if I have to do this, I can't afford to drop lessons, I can't afford to do this on the other.
Speaker B:And it's like, Now I have 90 minutes between lessons.
Speaker B:Not every lesson, but a lot of lessons.
Speaker B:And I utilize that time for different stuff.
Speaker B:You know, whether it's the doing the York or whether it's doing social media or whatever, or just getting out with the car and getting some fresh air.
Speaker B:And yes, I'm home later, but I've done more throughout the day.
Speaker B:I might lose an hour in the evening, but it's, it's not lost because I would have done in the evening.
Speaker B:I'm now doing through the day and I've also got more energy in the evening when I come home.
Speaker B:And also like you said, it's letting you clients take control.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Be accommodating where you can.
Speaker B:Of course, no one's saying being a dick, but if someone wants to move a lesson or if someone with yourself wants to reschedule a call and you can't, well, no, this is your business.
Speaker B:You don't do that.
Speaker B:So I think there's some valid, some really valid points there that I think a lot of people are scared to use and I know I was.
Speaker A:And in terms of productivity as well, like I do a similar thing to you.
Speaker A:So I obviously I have client calls, full days, four days a week.
Speaker A:I do not have one cardinal rule.
Speaker A:I tell my VA when she puts everything.
Speaker A:I do not do client calls before 12pm I just don't because I can either go for a walk, go to the gym, I can write some content, I can record some videos, whatever, but I do not do client.
Speaker A:All of my client calls are from 12 onwards, four days a week and that is it.
Speaker A:And like you have the power to do that with your schedule and you should do it.
Speaker B:On those days when driving instructors are working, whether it's three lessons, four lessons, whatever.
Speaker B:A big thing I used to struggle with, I know that a lot of instructors struggle with is, is energy and focus and you know that then results in Mars bars and bottles of Lucas Aid and Greg's pasties and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Probably not the best food to have when you try to get energy throughout the day.
Speaker B:What, what would you suggest there?
Speaker A:So it's again applying some, some, some longer term thinking, right.
Speaker A:So having a Mars bar for energy, that's short term thinking, right?
Speaker A:Because you know you're going to feel like a whole heap of shit like later on.
Speaker A:Not to say that you shouldn't eat Mars bars, by the way, I'm not one of these cleaning Tim wankers.
Speaker A:You can eat whatever the you like as long as you, as long as it fits with your particular goals and you're happy with the content consequences, right.
Speaker A:But in terms of having prolonged periods of energy, then you need to be looking at foods that give you energy for a longer period of time.
Speaker A:So for instance, if you are, before you set off in the morning breakfast, have something like oats, right.
Speaker A:Because they are slow release energy, they're very filling.
Speaker A:You can put some protein powder in them, you know, fan of protein, Terry.
Speaker A:So that gives you carbs, that gives you protein.
Speaker A:Put some fruit and seeds and nuts, whatever on the top.
Speaker A:That will give you some more nutrients.
Speaker A:So it's about having a nutrient dense diet.
Speaker A:You can include Mars bars in that diet.
Speaker A:You know, if you've had a bowl of porridge and then later on you want, you know, like a chocolate bar or something, then it's probably going to do, you know, it's not going to have as much of a sort of energy spike as it were.
Speaker A:If you've had nothing to eat all day and then you eat a Mars bar, that's probably not a good time to eat it.
Speaker A:But then also having snacks in your car that are obviously things that don't go off.
Speaker A:I am, when I did have a car, I was a serial offender of having empty protein shakers in my car.
Speaker A:If anyone's ever tried to open and then wash an empty protein shaker when it's been in your car for a few days, it's like nuclear waste in there, don't do it.
Speaker A:So things like, you know, nuts, fruit, you know that, that travels well.
Speaker A:So things like bananas and stuff like that, oranges.
Speaker A:But yeah, having snacks on hand and also having, you know, you obviously you know your local area well, right.
Speaker A:Thinking about what shops are on the way, you know, what kind of things do they have in those shops?
Speaker A:If it's Gregg's, there's probably isn't an awful lot that's going to be that great for you.
Speaker A:If it's stuff like pret a manger where you can get, you know, like boiled eggs and spinach in pots, you can get a decent salad, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker A:So looking at where even in supermarkets they now have things like pre cooked chicken in packs and lots of cool stuff like that.
Speaker A:I went in Marks and Spencer's yesterday and had a very nice bang bang noodle salad which was lovely.
Speaker A:So I, I would say it's about trying to look at what, what's on your route, what's around you, you know, is a fish and chip shop really the only food place you're going to come across on, on your Lessons that day, it probably isn't.
Speaker A:So it's all about forward planning and, you know, because if you're hungry and you want to grab something quick, of course you're going to grab something that's less than optimal.
Speaker A:So having a few snacks on hand, planning your route and thinking about what is going to give you energy in the long term, it's going to help.
Speaker B:Or the other option that you politely persuaded me to do was make your own stuff and take that.
Speaker A:Yeah, the issue there exactly.
Speaker A:I mean, that's.
Speaker A:That is obviously the preferred option.
Speaker A:I know not everyone's got time to do that, but, you know, just getting a little cool bag or something and keeping things in your car is going to help you a lot.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker B:On the idea of sort of the nutrition side of it, I suppose hydration is quite a big thing and it's a problem for instructors because.
Speaker B:Because we have those breaks, show shot, we want to go less and less and less and we don't want to go toilet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there has been times in the past where I would get up in the morning and I wouldn't have a drink until 6pm at night.
Speaker B:Pre Haili, Prehili.
Speaker B:How important is nutrition in that situation?
Speaker B:Hydration.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And why.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:Hydration is super important.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because if you're not well hydrated, nothing works properly in particular.
Speaker A:You're going to get fatigued, you're going to.
Speaker A:It's going to affect your concentration levels, which I should imagine is a pretty serious thing for a driving instructor.
Speaker A:It's going to affect your focus as well.
Speaker A:So, you know, particularly, you know, around a lot of brain function stuff.
Speaker A:If you are dehydrated, your brain does not work.
Speaker A:Work properly.
Speaker A:So they, I'm guessing, you know, without catastrophizing things, that.
Speaker A:That could have some pretty serious consequences.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:We need concentrations instructors.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So the last thing I want to touch on before we wrap up.
Speaker B:You're the food ninja.
Speaker B:I came to you for some help.
Speaker B:Now, being completely honest, you are not cheap, but you are phenomenally good value.
Speaker B:I think there's, there's.
Speaker B:That's what we struggle in our industry as well, difference between expensive and value, you know, on that side of it.
Speaker B:But I used to be.
Speaker B:And a lot of people still are reluctant to pay for help.
Speaker B:So, for example, did I need a food ninja?
Speaker B:No, I could have done it by myself.
Speaker B:But would it have been as efficient?
Speaker B:Would it have been as productive?
Speaker B:Would it have been as quick?
Speaker B:Would it have been as beneficial?
Speaker B:No, of course it wouldn't.
Speaker B:So I've come to you for help, but a lot of people are reluctant to go out and pay for that help, pay for that development, pay for that assistance.
Speaker B:What would you say to those people that don't want to pay for the help?
Speaker B:Because I can just do it myself.
Speaker A:Well, you know, everyone knows what they should do, right?
Speaker A:With health, everyone knows what they should eat, everyone knows what they should be doing.
Speaker A:Everyone knows in very general terms what they should be doing to look after their health.
Speaker A:Does everyone do it?
Speaker A:Fuck no.
Speaker A:Nobody does it, right?
Speaker A:Particularly business owners.
Speaker A:And I know as business owners, people want results fast, right?
Speaker A:They want the quickest and most efficient way to get to their goal, right?
Speaker A:And the quickest and most efficient way to get to your goal is to have someone who knows what they're doing to help you through it.
Speaker A:Because if you Google, I don't know, say your main thing is fat loss, right?
Speaker A:If you Google fat loss, let me tell you, there's going to be millions of results.
Speaker A:Most of those are going to be people trying to sell you.
Speaker A:That doesn't work, right?
Speaker A:So, yes, I am not the cheapest there is in terms of your health, but I am a one stop shop for your health, physical, mental, emotional, your intellectual health.
Speaker A:So I say to people, I should be the last money that you ever spend on your health.
Speaker A:I'm going to give you all the tools you need to be completely autonomous with your health and you will never need to spend money on anyone like me ever again if you apply everything that I've taught you.
Speaker A:And you're a good example of that, right, Terry, because we stopped our one to one sessions how many months ago?
Speaker B:February, I think we stopped February.
Speaker A:And you've maintained your weight through a very stressful.
Speaker A:Yeah, through a very stressful period.
Speaker A:So you've, and you've continued to sleep well, you've continued to, you know, maintain a healthy weight or lose a bit of weight, you've continued with your walking, you've continued with all of the other benefits that you felt.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Whereas, you know, you could go to someone who chucks macros at you and berates you once a week for not hitting the macros.
Speaker A:That isn't going to help a lot of the stuff that I do.
Speaker A:And I, I talk to people about this a lot.
Speaker A:The reason I did all of the other qualifications, right, Because I want, I just wanted to be a nutritionist.
Speaker A:I didn't know I was going to do all this other.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I realized that when I was talking to people that it was.
Speaker A:I was never talking about food.
Speaker A:When people come to me with issues with their health, even if they just think, oh, I'm a bit overweight, I need to lose some weight, it is never about food, let me tell you.
Speaker A:It's never about food.
Speaker A:It's about behavioral issues, it's about some kind of mental or emotional trauma experience, that kind of thing.
Speaker A:It's a lifestyle thing where they're just not able to get traction with their healthy habits.
Speaker A:So, yes, you can go to a normal, fit pro, right, who's going to chuck macros at you and tell you what to eat, will give you a meal plan, but you can keep repeating that circle over and over again.
Speaker A:When you come to me, I promise to sort all of the health related shit that is holding you and your business back for life.
Speaker A:And I can give you examples of lots and lots of people that I've done that for.
Speaker A:So it's a very different service.
Speaker A:So, yeah, sorry, I guess that's all.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Know it's good.
Speaker B:I just think that, you know, and I used to be, like I said, reluctant to ask for help and then even more reluctant to pay for it.
Speaker B:And I think that we can't do everything ourselves.
Speaker B:We can get by, but it's wise to seek professional help and just get better, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, so I'm gonna ask you one last question, slightly putting you on the spot.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:If you were to leave us driving instructors with one single piece of advice, one tip, one takeaway from, from today, what piece of advice would you leave us with?
Speaker A:I would tell you to do an audit now of your gas burners and be very honest with yourself about where you are.
Speaker A:So have a look at each area.
Speaker A:Business, you know, social life, relationships, hobbies, health, all that kind of stuff and give yourself a score.
Speaker A:And that in itself will be a massive eye opener to you.
Speaker B:Excellent.
Speaker B:Yes, I have done that and it was.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, where can people find you?
Speaker B:I'll obviously put all these links in the show notes, people go and find them.
Speaker B:But where can people find you and what have you got to promote?
Speaker A:So I'm basically full for one to one coaching at the moment.
Speaker A:So I don't really have any spot.
Speaker A:I might have one spot coming up soon, but I do have my dojo membership.
Speaker A:So, Terry, you're in my dojo, which is a really cool place to be.
Speaker A:So that is that.
Speaker A:I'll be doing a launch of that or opening the doors on the dojo this month sometime.
Speaker A:So the dojo is a Place where you can get lots of support, accountability, resources, worksheets, courses, education, live, ask me anythings and just a very.
Speaker A:I'm very fortunate to have a very, very supportive community.
Speaker A:They're very cool people in there.
Speaker A:So, yeah, you can get lots of your health related shit sorted out there.
Speaker A:You can find me mostly on Facebook, but I'm also on Instagram.
Speaker A:I am the food ninja and I have a YouTube channel, Food Ninja TV, that you can.
Speaker A:I've only recently started that, so I think there's about 15 videos on there, I think.
Speaker A:But there's lots of.
Speaker A:There's an interesting one about steps actually you might want to have a look at.
Speaker A:So yeah, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and my dojo membership launch will be coming up before the end of the month.
Speaker A:I post most of my best content on my personal profile and I'm quite happy to accept lots of friends because I'm a Facebook whore.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Well, on that note, thank you for joining us today, Hale.
Speaker B:It's been brilliant having you on.
Speaker B:You've left us some great advice.
Speaker B:I will just say that when I release these episodes, I tend to do like a 60 second clip.
Speaker B:Clip that I put out, I'm sure.
Speaker B:I think a six seconds where you didn't say the word fuck.
Speaker B:Sorry, it may be a 15 second clip this time.
Speaker B:But no, thank you for coming on.
Speaker B:It's been brilliant to have you.
Speaker A:It's been a pleasure and well done on the podcast.
Speaker A:I'm really, I've been very excited to see how it's grown in the past couple of weeks.
Speaker A:Really, I think hasn't it sort of got very popular very quickly?
Speaker A:Which is good news and lovely to see that you are implementing all your healthy habits so much that you have time and energy to do all this extra shit as well.
Speaker B:That's a really valid point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Previously I wouldn't have been able to do this.
Speaker B:I wouldn't have had the energy, I wouldn't have had the focus, the concentration.
Speaker B:So, yes, I am a product of food Ninja mastery.
Speaker A:Hashtag ninja for life.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, thank you for today.
Speaker B:It's been brilliant and words to that effect.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:So big thank you again to Hayley for joining us on today's episode.
Speaker B:I'm sure you got a lot from that.
Speaker B:I know I did.
Speaker B:Just not just from this episode.
Speaker B:As you know, from listening.
Speaker B:I've worked with Hayley previously.
Speaker B:She had a massive impact on me physically, emotionally and mentally as well.
Speaker B:I'm in a much better place for working with her.
Speaker B:And even if you just Take on board the tips she's provided you with today.
Speaker B:You'll probably find an improvement in your health as well.
Speaker B:However, as always, there'll be some links in the show notes so you can go follow her.
Speaker B:I suggest that you do, whether that's on Instagram or Facebook or go follow a YouTube page.
Speaker B:Go get stuck into some good old Hayley Field.
Speaker B:Goodness.
Speaker B:And we are now heading over to Chris Benstead to get the latest news update from the ditc.
Speaker C:Hello, I am Chris Benstead from the Driving Instructor and Trainers Collective, the ditc, the signposting point for the driver training industry.
Speaker C:So, for today's instructor podcast, we are going to be reviewing the most recent email from the DVSA and it's announcing that they are returning to seven days testing.
Speaker C:That's taking us back to the levels of testing that were being carried out before the pandemic.
Speaker C:In addition to that, they're also offering examiners overtime and they are potentially running extra days each week.
Speaker C:So they reckon that's going to give them an increase in capacity of between 15,000 and 20,000 tests a month.
Speaker C:So hopefully that's going to eat some of the way into this backlog that we're all faced with and the difficulty in finding tests which are convenient and adequately timed for our pupils.
Speaker C:So these tests will be available from 9 June, so they are already rolling out, but are being released on a gradual basis and we're going to see an increase of those over the next few weeks.
Speaker C:The on hold facility, however, is being removed, so any appointments that are on hold come 31 August will be cancelled and refunded.
Speaker C:So if you have a pupil whose test is on hold, then make sure that they are finding a booking or at least aware of the fact.
Speaker C:Now they have been written to by the dvsa, so they should be aware anyway.
Speaker C:Just make sure that that process is being managed.
Speaker C:What that's possibly going to cause is people booking tests outside of areas.
Speaker C:And the problem that I see with this is that the more people that are booking tests that they are not going to take is taking away from the people that need tests that they are ready to take.
Speaker C:I think it's a really difficult one you're looking at as an individual.
Speaker C:That pupil wants to guarantee themselves a test, so they see one available and they think, right, I'll book it and I'll hope that I'm going to be ready and if I'm not ready, I'll push it back.
Speaker C:We hope they listen to us, but that then causes Part of this problem that we're fighting against because it takes away the test from those that need it.
Speaker C:So, you know, I think everybody's got to think long and hard about what's going to work best for them.
Speaker C:I know some areas of the country, ourselves included, local instructors are doing a cracking job of switching tests between themselves and micromanaging things to try and make sure that nothing goes to waste.
Speaker C:And we're getting those slots filled and used.
Speaker C:So others are using test cancellation services, which are a double edged sword as it is.
Speaker C:But we are all doing our best to make the best of what's available from the dvsa.
Speaker C:And hopefully this return to a full diary of testing, plus the overtime and buyback of holiday that the DVSAs have done will hopefully cause some kind of release and relief on this queue that we are continuing to be faced with.
Speaker C:Something else that they are doing is bringing back the three day cancellation, three working day short notice cancellation for the test.
Speaker C:So that's back to the, back to standard practice.
Speaker B:For us.
Speaker C:We know what that means.
Speaker C:Now they are saying that candidates cannot take the driving test when they have.
Speaker C:Here's the list.
Speaker C:Any coronavirus symptoms, High temperature fever, Continuous cough.
Speaker C:It's a new continuous cough change or loss of smell or taste from normal.
Speaker C:If they've been asked to isolate by the NHS Test and Trace service in the last 14 days.
Speaker C:If they are awaiting results of a COVID test or have had a positive test in the last seven days.
Speaker C:If they have visited a school, college or other building that's been closed due to Covid outbreak in the last seven days.
Speaker C:If they live with someone who has either tested positive for COVID 19 or had symptoms of COVID 19 in the last 14 days.
Speaker C:So obviously this is going to cause some short notice cancellations.
Speaker C:The system in place for these cancellations is that they need to email customerservicesa.gov.uk as soon as possible and that they will help them look for the earliest possible appointments once they finish self isolating, if they are in that process.
Speaker C:This is starting.
Speaker C:The three working days notice period is starting from the 17th of June.
Speaker C:If this happens then they need to send that email with a subject line in capital letters saying Covid short notice cancellation and send that as early as possible.
Speaker C:They may be asked for evidence.
Speaker C:That's going to be a challenging one.
Speaker C:If it's just symptoms, do they want them to cough down the phone?
Speaker C:But you know, I'm sure they're being realistic about it and doing what they can.
Speaker C:I do think that you know, we're having, locally, we're having reported double figures every week of tests that aren't going out because people are just not turning up.
Speaker C:So, you know, I think it's needed, I think it's important.
Speaker C:If your pupil cancelled to the test within the three working days or fails to turn up to the test, they will lose their test fee unless they can provide Covid related evidence.
Speaker C:So it is only the COVID tests that will be allowed to cancel inside of that three days.
Speaker C:So a positive to finish on or hopefully in certain areas of the country, including the Southeast, that's the one that they named particularly.
Speaker C:They are still looking for some driving examiner recruitment.
Speaker C:So if this is something that interests you, what they're looking at doing is making use of what they're referring to as experienced driving assessors to qualify as driving examiners on a short term basis.
Speaker C:So this is obviously not the usual recruitment process.
Speaker C:They've done that and people, you know, either haven't applied or haven't had suitable candidates.
Speaker C:So they're looking at a different way of doing it.
Speaker C:I'm wondering whether they're looking to rosper an IAM or whether they're looking towards diamond, the DIA examiners, as they have and have experience of examining and doing that, which is different.
Speaker C:You know, having been through examiner training, myself through diamond, it is a very different approach and you do view things differently.
Speaker C:It was really good.
Speaker C:I recommend it to all instructors.
Speaker C:You know, tackle something where you are put in that seat as an examiner and you have to make those judgment calls.
Speaker C:The standards aren't as high as we have as instructors.
Speaker C:They are.
Speaker C:It's much more, is it a fault?
Speaker C:And, you know, it has to be looked at in that way.
Speaker C:We look at a big picture.
Speaker C:They don't, they look at individual things.
Speaker C:It's well worth it.
Speaker C:The other thing that hopefully will come back soon is people being able to take a trip to Cardington DVSA training Centre to have a look at how examining is taught and what they're trained to do.
Speaker C:If you get a chance to do that, thoroughly recommend it.
Speaker C:But in light of this opportunity, if you have an experienced driving assessor's background, then it might be something for you.
Speaker C:It might mean, I don't know, but it might mean you don't have to give your badge up in the same way.
Speaker C:You know, then it could be that there are going to be allowances put in place that mean you'll be less affected by that process.
Speaker C:Particularly if it's, you know, Rossburg examiners Or that side of things, maybe that's how things are going to work.
Speaker C:So we'll watch this space.
Speaker C:They're going to let us know, they're going to say an email out.
Speaker C:I hope that with my, you know, in my heart of hearts, hope that this is going to help start that cascade of breaking down that test waiting list.
Speaker C:My head is telling me there's a big job ahead and we're still treading water.
Speaker C:So our recommendation to everybody is be sensible, make sure pupils are ready, are going to go and pass, speak to colleagues about doing mock tests and try to just best prep them for that process so the nerves don't get in the way.
Speaker C:So much so that they know what to expect.
Speaker C:And hopefully between ourselves and the efforts of the dbsa, we'll be able to do something.
Speaker C:Because I know it is a gut wrencher for instructors at the moment, having to turn work away, having to turn the ability to help people away.
Speaker C:When it's what we do, we're problem solvers, we like that as instructors, it's a common trait.
Speaker C:And unfortunately, you know, this situation means that there aren't enough of us.
Speaker C:And, you know, we're having to help those that we can.
Speaker C:Don't feel guilty, you know, do what you can, help where you can.
Speaker C:We're all plodding on through it and potentially it sounds silly, you know, you've only got so much room in your diary.
Speaker C:But I keep speaking to instructors.
Speaker C:The ditc, you know, has a lot of instructors phone for guidance and advice.
Speaker C:I keep speaking to them where, you know, they're wishing they could do more.
Speaker C:They're used to helping.
Speaker C:If they couldn't fit someone in, they'd find an instructor who could.
Speaker C:And everyone's busy.
Speaker C:So, you know, if you're not, speak to your local colleagues, I'm sure they'll help.
Speaker C:They'll be glad to assist for whatever reason if things have changed for you.
Speaker C:But definitely keep your chin up, keep plodding on and we'll get there in some way.
Speaker C:So wishing you all the best.
Speaker C:Enjoy the lovely weather.
Speaker C:Hope it's not too hot in those cars.
Speaker C:I know people have got windows open, so there's a bit of a breeze coming, but enjoy the summer.
Speaker C:We always suddenly realize when it's gone and we look forward to speaking to you again soon.
Speaker C:Hang on a second.
Speaker C:Stop the press.
Speaker C:Literally, as I stopped talking, there was an email came through from the CEO of the DBSA Loveday Rider.
Speaker C:And just a quick update on that, really.
Speaker C:So it just says that she's pleased that they've restarted the testing in England, Scotland and Wales.
Speaker C:And she says that they sent a joint message out from nasp, the National Association Strategic Partnership and themselves to re emphasize the importance of both you and your pupils wearing face coverings during lessons and that they encourage you and your pupils to take regular rapid lateral flow tests.
Speaker C:So she covers that and then moves on to say about what we've already discussed the future of driving tests and the changes that are going on, making sure that instructors are part of the loop.
Speaker C:They are running an anonymous survey and I'm sure that Terry will make sure that there is a link to that inside of the notes of the podcast.
Speaker C:The survey's got to be completed by 1 minute to midnight on the 25th June, so if you are a late joiner to the podcast you might miss out on that one.
Speaker C:So make sure you're not and it takes about 10 minutes to do so.
Speaker C: ey.co.uks for sugar AdireStart: Speaker C:So have a look at that and I'm off to fill that one in now.
Speaker C:They also say that they're keeping safety measures under review, that they are increasing the number of appointments as we've discussed and that they will keep us updated directly and through nasp.
Speaker C:So thank you to Loveday Rider, CEO of the dbsa.
Speaker C:I tell you what, let's have a quick look at that survey and see what they have asked.
Speaker C:So we have an introduction says it should take five to 10 minutes and it will close, as we know on the 25th of June at midnight.
Speaker C:The usual data protection stuff, but we are promised that it is an anonymous survey.
Speaker C:Where that's in the uk.
Speaker C: ve been allowed to restart in: Speaker C:You have stated that you are fully operational.
Speaker C:Can you indicate how many learners you are actively training at this time?
Speaker C:Would you say this is more or less than your pre Covid average?
Speaker C:We understand some ADIs currently have a waiting list for your learners.
Speaker C:Do you?
Speaker C:You have told us that you have a waiting list of learners.
Speaker C:Can you say how many you have waiting to start lessons?
Speaker C:How long do you expect to have a waiting list of learners?
Speaker C:Thinking about the learners that you have act that you are actively training?
Speaker C:Can you say how many have a theory test pass?
Speaker C:Thinking about the learners that you are actively training?
Speaker C:Can you say how many have a practical test booked?
Speaker C:We appreciate that this may be difficult to predict, but can you estimate how many of your candidates you think are likely to be ready for their practical test in the next six months?
Speaker C:DVSA would like to update and improve the advice we provide to learner drivers around the average cost of driving lessons and we need your help to do this.
Speaker C:Can you indicate the average price you charge for a one hour standard lesson?
Speaker C:Interestingly, the prices are less than £20.
Speaker C:21 to £30.
Speaker C:That's a big bracket.
Speaker C:31 to £40 41 to £50 51 plus we want to understand more about your experience with the DVSA communications, including before COVID 19 pandemic how useful did do you find the following communication channels to get news and updates from the dbsa?
Speaker C:Please select those that apply.
Speaker C:We would also like you to understand how we can better communicate with you in the future.
Speaker C:Which of the following channels are you most interested in using?
Speaker C:Are you aware that the DBSA publishes the DL25 marking sheet for driver and rider testing that you can use for mock tests?
Speaker C:Anyone who's not aware it's on their website.
Speaker C:Actually, what's quite nice is they've put in a link so you can click to it via the survey.
Speaker C:I swear they're improving how regularly do you use or plan to use the form to help prepare your pupils for their tests?
Speaker C:Are you aware of our newly published Top 10 Reasons for Failing a Driving test guidance?
Speaker C:This is the top 10 reasons they put out there that actually I thought was better than normal.
Speaker C:It was more about, you know, what they're doing wrong than just what the fault is.
Speaker C:It wasn't brilliant, but it was a dramatic improvement.
Speaker C:How regularly do you use or plan to use the guidance to help you prepare for your pupils?
Speaker C:Well, if it's why people are failing, then why would you not use it in some way?
Speaker C:It guides us at least.
Speaker C:How useful is this guidance?
Speaker C:I can't bring myself to, but extremely useful.
Speaker C:They want to know.
Speaker C:Can you please explain your answer?
Speaker C:Are you aware of our newly published driving test results guidance?
Speaker C:Have you encouraged your pupils who fail to read the driving test results guidance?
Speaker C:How regularly will use the guidance to help pupils who fail their driving test prepare for their next one?
Speaker C:How useful is this guidance?
Speaker C:Finally, please let us know if you have any further comments about the issues raised in this survey.
Speaker C:So that box is going to take me a while to fill in, so I'm going to leave you to it.
Speaker C:Stay safe and if you get a chance to fill in the survey.
Speaker C:At least they can't say we didn't respond.
Speaker B:So thank you for listening today.
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Speaker B:If you want to get in touch with us, sure, head over@tcdrive.co.uk you can get in touch with me by any method over there.
Speaker B:And remember, let's just keep raising standards and stay safe.
